no -- good luck patriots. >> what do you think? >> i have no presence. >> it's a tom brady all the way. >> interests? is he good looking? >> yes. >> sea hawks 24-21 seahawks. >> with i'm with her, seahawks -- >> what's that on your dress? >> a great, great picture. >> it is will meka and joe now. it has been a tough year for you in their job this year.

many people if they had had the year you had would have resigned or be fire d did you see any reason for you to resign or be fired? >> it's been a tough year on me personally. it has been a year of humility and learning. we as an organization have gone through adversity and it's been adversity for me. and that is something where we take that seriously, it is an opportunity for us to get better. so we have all done a lot of soul searches. >> good evening and welcome to "morning joe." there is no need to adjust your

sets or check your clocks, it is indeed evening and this is morning joe. >> in the evening. >> tonight we bring you a special prime time edition of our show live from phoenix, arizona. a cold and wet phoenix, arizona. i saw the mayor back there. >> what is with the weather? >> he is also responsible for that sound we just heard in the background. he needs to do a better job. this will be a great super bowl. this is only one of three super bowls where the point spread has been this tight. >> he is full of facts like that. we'll be talking sports, some politics, and we'll be joined by former players and some of the best sports reporters in the business. >> the great al michaels will be here. >> and willy are l have this for

us. his interview with katy perry who said the show will make people's jaws drop. >> yes. she said there is lions and sharks in her performance. >> she looks nice. >> she is awesome. >> who wants lions around while you're performing? >> katy perry does, but -- it has also been a big day in politics today. of course we're going to get to mitt romney decision not to run. it is a very surprising decision. he was in first place in every poll. the latest one had him up by ten points and he still decided to walk away but not before making a veiled swipe at jeb bush. >> vailed? i think it was like a punch in

the nose. we are going to talk about the super bowl now. we have the host of "lupika" on espn radio. a good name. also corresponding for espn sal paolantonio. and mike barnical is here too. >> sal, let me start with you, is the deflate gate thing that has consumed the country for two weeks affecting the patriots in any way? are they listening to the noise? >> it has been a monstrous distraction for them, getting here to phoenix, willie. i think they put it to the side. i think they use it to unify the football team. i think to be poked and prodded for the last ten days that would

be a uptight team. but they are totally loosy goosy. and i think bob kraft the owner, when he came out swinging, demanding an apology, that puts swagger back for that football team if. >> willy if you and i had just thought about that all of the times we got in trouble in high school and college and that summer in turkey -- make them apologize. that was incredible, though. kraft says he expects the nfl to apologize. >> not only that, but he also said in the court of that brief press conference, he referred to them as my guys. my question to you about the game that sal was just talking about, how many super bowls have you covered, how many super bowl games where you have seen a game where basically even in vegas

they say a jump ball. >> i think my first one was in 1979. the story about a bag of balls is the dumbest single story i have ever covered. >> you had great headlines. >> we did. >> my balls are perfect. >> the editor finally said we're running out of balls. i looked it up today, three games have ever had a point spread of one or less in 48 previous super bowls. what bothered me about the bag of ball stories is this is one of the great match ups in my mind of super bowl history. belichick succeeding carroll, the young quarterback against

brady. then you factor in one of the greatest coaches of all time, and one of the greatest owners of all time listened to themselves be called cheaters and liars for the last two weeks. i agree with sal, if anything it will help the patriots. >> toughest ticket ever in super bowl history. most expensive ticket ever in super bowl history. >> let me ask out in the crowd here, when we give speeches we ask how many democrats and republicans are in the crowd. how many seahawks do we that? and how many patriots? and how many cardinal fans? [ cheers and applause ] >> you do realize the cardinals are not playing on sunday. >> he is getting over his cold,

he has been sick all week long. a lot of extra rest. he was taken extra garlic to ward off -- if you grow up in an italian household, you put extra garlic in the spaghetti sauce. >> mic, you write in in your column. at a super bowl in phoenix where bill belichick and tom brady have a chance to win their fourth lombardi trophy together, to do that and perhaps walk away with being called as the great a coach or quarterback as their game has ever seen, riszle wilson has a chance to be the biggest win of of all. he would leave as one of the

great shining stars. he is 5'11", not the tallest quarterback ever, and guys, let's face it. he had 3 1/2 of the worst quarters that any quarterback -- >> has no business being in the super bowl. >> no, but when it counted, those last 4 1/2 minutes, wow. >> sometimes it is more than talent. we get into the hero and warrior thing in sports, but there is athletic character. how you play those 3 1/2 quarters, at that point if they go on to lose that way it would have been called one of the worst quarterbacking performances in the history of january football fop go from playing your worst game to playing your best game was -- >> and by the way you just wrote that this guy could go down as one of the greats. if that game ended the other way, he would have been living

this off season in misery. >> this is why sports is great. you look at tom brady and he can look at two super bowl losses to the giants and say literally two or three places have altered my team's place in history, and my own place in history. manningham, missing welker in indianapolis nap is the beauty of sports. >> welker missed it, brady didn't. let me ask you this, i tried to teach my kids this in life. i use this sports analogy, and i say okay, you gave up a home run today. you know what? pitch not next batter. how many times have we seen someone get hammered that long like russell wilson and they fold. what does it say about this

kid's character that those 3 1/2 quarters didn't matter. >> given his size, and the fact that if they do win on sunday he will have beaten in back to back years peyton manning and tom brady, that is quite the story line itself. you factor in his career path, he leaves carolina state, he goes to another school, he is drafted in a high round, third round, the reason he is 10-0 against super bowl winning quarterbacks is one, he is a very dynamic leader. two, in the fourth quarter, he is very difficult to defend, primarily because he has, i think, the most important play ore in the super bowl on his team nap is not tom brady, that is marshawn lynch. he is difficult to tackle, he can turn it on, and when you

don't hand the ball to him, he is on the edge running with the football. i have been arnold belichick and brady all year and they talked about 60 minutes of football. you have to play pete carroll's teams for 60 minutes especially when you consider the ability of that quarterback. >> let's not forget the two-point conversion that turned out to be the difference in the game. that is all russell wilson. without his legs -- >> willy, he said one of the days in his media briefings, he said when he was 15 years old, his parents would pepper him with questions like you made the super bowl, what do you think? you've just been named super

bowl mvp. so he has been dreaming big since the team he was a teenager. >> do you want to talk a little politics? from the big game to the political story of the game, 2012 republican nominee, former massachusetts governor mitt romney dominated the conversation today by saying he is not going to do it. he is not going to run for president again. just three weeks ago, he said he was mulling a third run for the white house after months of insisting that was not the case. romney says it's time to give other leaders in the party a chance. but added no doubt he could win the race. >> i'm convinced we can win the nomination, but i realize it was a difficult test and a hard fight. i believe with the message of making america better, i would

have the best chance for being the nominee, but that is before the other contendering have an opportunity to send their message to the voters. >> jeb bush who was expected to compete with romney, he says this sets up a clear battle for who will be the republican alternative to bush if he enters the race. the other benefactor is chris christie. they say he remains a long shot for the nomination, but has greater access to donors. christie and romney will have dinner tonight, it was planned before romney's announcement. >> joe turned a quick piece on this for politico, it is called "the more things stay the same, the more republicans lose." if the past half century of gop

history is any indication the planning for jeb bush's 2016 coronation should begin at once. republicans do not take chances on unknown first term senators or benaught fapeanut farmers. consider the gop ticket has won the white house since 1928 only when a nixon or bush has been on the district. it is no way to win the white house back. jeb is not the guy according to you, joe? >> i'm not saying jeb is not the guy, but it is amazing to me again that republicans have a front runner whose daddy ran the country. i said this before, mike you almost jumped out of your chair when you heard me that mitt romney could have won it, six of the last seven republican nominees have gotten there

because of their fathers. you had bush 41 whose father was a u.s. senator, bush 43 whose dad was a president. you of course have arizona's own john mccain whose dad helped run the u.s. navy. you had mitt romney whose dad ran michigan, one of the largest car companies in the world. there is no coincidence this is a republican party that seems stuck in the past, and now here we have a coronation supposedly for jeb bush, and i just think like mitt romney said in his statement, republicans are going to be looking for someone new. >> it is okay for the republicans to look for somebody kn new. nobody doesn't run if he thinks he is going to win -- >> he is ahead in every poll. >> but rudy giuliani was once

ahead in the polls and got one delegate after spending $50 million. he thought he could be elected president by becoming president of the state of florida. >> you don't buy it? >> no, if he thought he could win he would have run. >> he is not running because his wife does not want him to run. >> you think it's ann? >> yes, and he doesn't have a natural base. with christie in it, he doesn't have a natural base. i think that is why he is not running. >> i think those are two very good reasons why he is not running. two years ago we had president herman cane who was ahead. don't you think that reality therapy finally sunk in? in terms of fundraising he saw a huge part of his financial base disappear to jeb bush. >> i think it had to do with the fact that after he announced he

was thinking about running jeb's team started piling on quickly. mike murphy most likely leaked negative stories about him. i think the story on the front page of the "new york times," talking about how rupert murdoch didn't like him in '12 and doesn't like him now. he will have to fight the bush team, and the murdoch's wall street editorial. you need a lot of fighting in you to do that. sal, great to see you. congratulations, what a beautiful granddaughter. >> thank you. >> mike, lupika you're coming back later if you can. still ahead on this special morning joe, we're going to hear from richard sherman and the seahawks head coach and pete carroll.

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closely, do you -- >> this is the sunniest city in america right here. >> it is rainy and cold. >> we packed shorts. >> tomorrow will be beautiful. >> do you guarantee that? it is great to have you here. one of the key areas of your expertise is america's missing education years. explain that if you could. >> there is a killed gap that we're inspired to close. and the first, thanks to programs online to help serve really the majority of students who are nontraditional. and of the five million jobs

that can't be filled, most of the people that we speak to they say because it is a skilled gap. >> we talk about this all of the time, everybody thinks i have to send my kid to a four year school, liberal arts, and we talk all of the time about the skills gap. about all of the -- all of the things that companies can't hire for right now. there is a skills gap in this country, large part of it because of the lack of access. my question to you is there is a subset of people in this country, not low income, but low to moderate income families that can't afford to have their child proceed to higher education. how do you attack that? >> i think there are lots of ways. some of our institutions around the world, and frankly that is not everybody needs a full four year program. we're literally working on

three-month boot camps in i.t. in three months we can have someone take on a position. they can make $50,000 to $70,000 a year. not everybody needs a four year degree. >> it is not practical sometimes. >> let me ask what the super bowl means to this city. when a country hits the olympics or a sporting event for a town, what does it do for the city?

>> we estimate about a doll$500 million economic impact. we can present ourselves as a warm and welcoming place. >> not warm, okay -- not warm. >> the warmest hospitality in the country, how about that? >> so how much money does this mean to phoenix at the end of the day? >> economic estimates are $500 million. changing perceptions, a place like arizona. we want to present for a place like ceos, a great place for business. phoenix is a growing and modern and advancing city. >> we're having a blast, thank you so much. >> great to see you. >> great to see you again. >> coming up, it's time to get mad. >> i just had a great california vacation going from san

francisco to san diego, nothing can bother me right now. >> when you're the stewards of the game, you have to protect the game. >> half of the players in the sport right now up like ten years ago, want the steroids in the support. >> pick any two guys with an announcer and fans -- >> you're so in the weeds. >> how do you feel, by 5:00 in chicago, here is a-rod. >> you and your outdoor voice, very nice. >> i don't get him, but i love him. he will join us on this prime time edition of "morning joe requests tonight in phoenix. you show up.

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you watch these nfl games and you listen to the talk and you would think that the nfl was like a nuclear power. everything is so rigid and important and intense. pete carroll is like have a pop sick popcicle. what's it like playing for him?

>> he is fun we he very positive if. >> you're have very personal guy, could you flourish under another coach the way it has under pete carroll? >> i don't know. i have not had any other coach like that. there is a conspiracy as pektt, but he does a great job -- he is buddies with bell check -- belichick. >> he played for jim harbaugh at sanford, what's up with that due

to jim harbaugh. >> yeah, they're opposites in that regard. >> welcome back to morning joe at night, we had richard sherman and his mom on last week. let's talk about richard sherman. i think it just happened so fast at usc, he got out of there really fast before the program went up in smoke, and we didn't think he was going to succeed the way he did. but he did what saben didn't do. a lot of great coaches did not make that transition.

>> remember he was there before, too, with the patriots. he says something is about to come down the pipe, right? he jumped ship, but she a guy i think -- let's bring in chris "mad dog" russo. >> mike, how are you, dude. >> but a guy, i think pete carroll, the players like to play for. >> yes, music, he runs a college rah-rah atmosphere. everybody is talking about the patriots legacy. going four and two in super bowls, how about the seahawks and belichick. belichick could be on his way to the hall of fame if he wins. i think the seahawks have something to play for legacy wide. >> so how has pete carroll gone

from college to pro? >> he got it right the first time -- >> he grew up in minnesota, he has had two head coaching jobs. he was in san francisco. he has a lot of nfl experience. he kind of ran away, but they won. they bring in a good gm. he brings in russell wilson. and there is some juice there with pete, he has enthusiasm. >> they talk about they love playing, it's a lot of fun, but it's a tough practice, too. they go after each other hard. >> listen, he is an aggressive guy that wants to go out there. rah-rah is the best way to explain it. carroll and belichick are both new england guys.

this will be interesting. a lot of people think close game. and a close situation to determine who wins. >> do you think that in his own way pete carroll is as driven in belichick in his own way? >> pete is in his early 60s. he goes about it differently. handles the media differently, but any coach in the nfl, you can't be successful on an nfl if you're not. so from that standpoint, i think he has a personality. i don't know how much they love each other, but carroll is an excellent football coach. >> you mentioned legacy a couple minutes ago, say the patriots win the super bowl, where do we

rank them among great quarterbacks? >> to me he is never ahead of montana or unitas. i just don't think he is better than montana. i know it is his hero. unitas changed the position so you have to leave him alone, and otto graham won every year. gr brady is four. right now, he is four in my opinion. >> wouldn't joe montana if he was here say that the game tom brady played is so different. the game is much different and much tougher? >> no question, complications with defenses, a lot of different schemes, mass

substitutions. >> mondatana or brady? >> it's a tough call, i would still go montana. >> i would go with brady. >> chris russo, mad dog. >> you know i love you. >> 115 million people last year watched the halftime super bowl show, does that make you nervous that number? >> can i be honest and say yes? yes, i will be nervous. >> willie geists interview with katy perry.

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president. thank you for the chips, we'll get you a new one. joining us now the former congressman from arizona, john shadegg. >> hi, everybody. >> so ro than in, you interviewed mitt romney a month or so ago, and if i remember correctly, he said the same thing to you in that interview that he said today. >> it is interesting. he talked a lot about the new generation of candidates, about wanting to get back to the people that helped him when he was on the trail, he is still out there, that was his explanation in the fall has to why he wasn't running. i would love to hear from the congressman about if he will succeed. >> i think this was a class act. it is a decision that a businessman goes through. he did his due kill jens as

you're hearing today. he put his name out there, and he looked at it and said i might win a primary, or he would win, and then realized that winning the general would be much tougher, and it's time for a new generation. >> can you name one person that you know in politics who has been in politics for a very long time that would be in that position and be ahead in every single poll. he is ten points ahead in the latest fox news poll. ten points ahead. >> he has all of the money he needs. >> nobody but romney would do that. and i think it shows this was a family decision, and it i was, they're enjoying their -- >> i'm learning stuff. >> he is wining to me about the rain. >> i'm watching the show and learning stuff. >> you know you're on the show,

right? yeah, we're live, sorry congressman. >> sorry, please. i think he knew he was ahead in the polls now, but that is largely name id, and it worked twice before, you ought to be way out in the polls right now unless you a serious problem. >> look at jeb bush way behind romney, behind huckabee, behind rand paul. jeb bush, fourth, do you think that republicans are going to think what barbara bush thinks, and that is that maybe our party should open it up to another family? >> i think the republicans are going to take a look at all of the candidates. >> what do you hear about when people talk about jeb bush? >> what you hear is two things. one the conservatives say he is too liberal, and two, the not so deeply involved say not another

bush. but we're about to get a clinton dynasty. those are what you hear, but it's way out. this is really, really, really early. i think there are people that will benefit by today. i think marco rubio just moved up, and i think florida is going to get interesting. i think that john kasick. >> i was always surprised when people would say who do you like? and i would say jeb bush, and then i would be showered by boos. they don't know who jeb bush is, they just know the name. >> the median donor class sometimes anoint people in new york city and america and they're not as interested as new york is. but where is the energy.

when you go out with your buddies, who are people excited about that maybe we're not thinking about. a lot of people are talking about scott walker, is that someone you can see being the nominee. >> sadly i don't see any genuine excitement anywhere yet. the new entrant in this race is going to be joe scarborough. >> that can get messy between you two. >> oh, god. don't start that. >> i'm just going to manage the campaign. >> you both saw congressional dysfunction firsthand. when you left the hill, one of the things you said is that congress let washington change. do you think the same thing about the current new class? >> i think the whole place is totally different. in the days we were there, it was marginally functional. i this it is a standing joke now

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>> all he cares about at the end of the day is football. playing this game, going out and doing well. i don't see it being a distraction for him at all. >> what is he like as a leader? is he a solid dude? >> yeah, he brings it every single day. practice, working out, no matter what he does he is giving 110% and makes sure that everyone else is as well. >> what's it like catching the ball from peyton? >> it's awesome. he is one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game. i'm very blessed to have an opportunity to play with him, learn from him and all of those different things. it has been a pleasure. >> while you were at the patriots, did you have any experience with any deflated balls? >> not that i know of, no. i just went out and tried to do my job. >> still ahead of this special

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this is very, very exciting. i'm studying up on my teams. >> i think this is the hardest team to pick. >> i'm not used to seeing fighter jets fly over a stadium at the start. people don't understand how intimidating the super bowl is to the rest of the world. when you beam that around the world, everybody is thinking if they're capable of this, what else could they do? >> i think i can insure everyone here that nothing in my performance will be deflated. i'm only here so i don't get

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